
Recently, I received a very negative comment from a Mr. Eli
Brayley on my blog. When I set this blog up I determined that it would not be a place to argue over the scriptures, or a place of contention. I also decided it would not be an apologetic's blog as there has already been great work for the church in this area from websites like
Fair and
FARMs.
So when I received the comment from Mr. Brayley, I decided to try to have a real conversation with him via email so I could try to get to the heart of his dislike for my faith.
Having served a mission for the church in the deep south, I've had many experiences talking with ministers, pastors, and other leaders of evangelical congregations both positive and negative.
Here are a few compliments to them.
1. They are very familiar with the New Testament, particularly the books written by Paul.
2. They have a zeal towards the gospel of Jesus Christ and are driven to share it.
3. They live decent and loving lives and try to follow the example of Jesus.
Each of these compliments could be given to Eli, judging from what I could see after doing a quick Google search on him. However, I've found that it's very difficult to have a conversation about God with an evangelical, without it just going in circles.
So instead of answering each of Eli's accusations about my faith I decided to start with a few questions of my own. My questions were designed to get to the heart of what Eli believed. I really wanted to understand him before I tried to be understood.
Unfortunately, it's been a couple of months now and I have never heard back from Eli. I don't know why, but he has never replied to my email.
Having given the background, I wish to cite part of what Eli wrote to me and answer it in this post. I'm doing this to hopefully answer questions that an evangelical might have about my faith.
I must say that of all the offensive things that have been said about Mormons, there is one in particular that offends me more than any other. Some evangelicals try to attack Mormonism by trying to take Jesus out of it. I've had more than one evangelical try to attack my faith in this way. They want others to believe that we think we can work our way into heaven. They want others to believe that we think Jesus was somehow less than God.
They want others to believe that we think His grace is not sufficient.
Let me make it clear that Jesus Christ is the central focus of Mormonsim. To me, taking Jesus out of my faith would be like taking away my faith. Without Jesus Christ, nothing else matters. This is more offensive to me then even the distorted portrayal I've heard them give of the prophet Joseph Smith and others.
And unfortunately, this is what Eli tried to do in his comments.
Here is one example below, Eli's words are in black. My answers will be in blue:
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"The Jesus of Mormonism speaks with a soft, kind voice but asks for the impossible. He lays heavy burdens on men's shoulders which they are not able to carry.
"Matt. 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." It would seem to me that "The Jesus of Mormonism" sounds a lot like the Jesus of the New Testament.And no Mormon can make an excuse, such as, "He knows I will fail." "He only asks me to try." "He knows I'm only human."
The late Prophet Spencer Kimball said concerning these excuses: "There is one crucial test of repentance. This is the abandonment of the sin...
The saving power does not extend to him who merely wants to change his life... Nor is repentance complete when one merely tries to abandon sin... To 'try' is weak. To 'do the best I can' is not strong. We must do better than we can." (The Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 163-165)
I'm very glad that Eli quoted President Kimball here. But he did it in the classic evangelical way. Notice that he got the above "quote" from picking out phrases from three whole pages of text. Eli does not point out the rest of what President Kimball said in the chapter. President Kimball wanted to point out that relying on our own power is not enough. When he said "We must do better than we can" he was pointing out that we need power beyond our own to accomplish true repentance. We need Jesus Christ. Later in the same chapter President Kimball says:
"James gave a formula for conquering: "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will free from you." (Jas. 4:7) In abandoning evil, transforming lives, changing personalities, molding characters or remolding them, we need the help of the Lord, and we may be assured of it if we do our part. The man who leans heavily upon his Lord becomes the master of self and can accomplish anything he sets out to do"Kimball is not being untrue to Mormon Scripture. 1 Nephi 3:7 removes any excuse from people who say what the Lord asks is too hard, too difficult: "
For I know that the Lord giveth no commandments unto the children of men, save he shall prepare a way for them that they accomplish the thing which he commandeth them." Therefore, whatever God commands He expects you to do, and you have no excuse for not doing it. Your best IS obedience. All that you can do IS all that God commands. "
Eli has interpreted this scripture wrong. Mormons would not underplay the words "he shall prepare a way for them" notice that the "way" that the command is accomplished is through the Lord prepar[ing] a way. It is not by man's power that it is accomplished.
Later Nephi says "1 Nephi 17:50 And I said unto them: If God had commanded me to do all things I could do them. If he should command me that I should say unto this water, be thou earth, it should be earth; and if I should say it, it would be done."
Clearly Nephi didn't believe that if God commanded him to talk to the water and tell it to be earth that it was by Nephi's power that it would be turned into earth. Nephi is pointing out here that with God nothing is impossible. If you put your faith in Jesus enough to act, He will provide the miracle.___________________________________________________________________
I've only included here a small part of what Eli said. As you can see from the above his argument was that Mormons believe we have to work and obey every commandment perfectly to get into heaven. But he purposely leaves out the most important part. He leaves out the fact that we as Mormons know that we won't be able to do it. We will and have fallen short. It is only through Jesus Christ that we will be redeemed. It is only through the power of Jesus Christ that we are able to even repent. So let me outline here if you will, what Latter-day Saints believe about grace.
According to the bible dictionary found in the official scriptures of the church, it says that Grace is "Gods enabling power."
Let's explore this in context with the first four principles and ordinances of the gospel.
1. Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ."1 Cor. 12:3 ...and
that no man can
asay that Jesus is the
bLord, but by the
cHoly Ghost. "
We receive our witness that Jesus is the Christ through the power of the Holy Ghost. It could be said that this is a form of grace. God enables us to know that Jesus is our Savior through His power. But to obtain this "Grace", we must use another gift He has given us, our agency to choose. If we choose to act on our faith in Jesus, he will give us the witness of the Holy Ghost that Jesus really is our Lord and Savior.
2. Repentance.In order to repent we have to feel Godly sorrow for our sins, ask God to forgive us, confess our sins to God and those who we may have trespassed against, forsake our sins, and try to make restitution in so far that it's possible. NONE of these are possible without the grace or enabling power of Jesus Christ. King Benjamin in the Book of Mormon said:
"Mosiah 2:21-25 21 I say unto you that if ye should aserve him who has created you from the beginning, and is bpreserving you from day to day, by lending you cbreath, that ye may live and move and do according to your own dwill, and even supporting you from one moment to another—I say, if ye should serve him with all your ewhole souls yet ye would be funprofitable servants. 22 And behold, all that he
arequires of you is to
bkeep his commandments; and he has
cpromised you that if ye would keep his commandments ye should prosper in the land; and he never doth
dvary from that which he hath said; therefore, if ye do
ekeep his
fcommandments he doth bless you and prosper you.
23 And now, in the first place, he hath created you, and granted unto you your lives, for which ye are indebted unto him.
24 And secondly, he doth
arequire that ye should do as he hath commanded you; for which if ye do, he doth immediately
bbless you; and therefore he hath paid you. And ye are still indebted unto him, and are, and will be, forever and ever; therefore, of what have ye to boast?
25 And now I ask, can ye say aught of yourselves? I answer you, Nay. Ye cannot say that ye are even as much as the dust of the earth; yet ye were
acreated of the
bdust of the earth; but behold, it
cbelongeth to him who created you."
We can't even breathe without the grace or enabling power of Jesus Christ let alone have the power to forsake our sins.
3. Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins.When baptism is performed in the right way, it must be by the proper authority. It must be performed by an authorized servant of the Lord. This is one who holds the Priesthood of God. This person cannot hold this priesthood without God's enabling power. He cannot even be ordained to it without first having been cleansed from sin through the grace of Jesus as well.
Thus even baptism requires the grace of God.
4. The Gift of The Holy GhostObviously, one cannot receive the gift of the Holy Ghost without the enabling power or grace of God.
For the Latter-day Saint, Jesus doesn't just save us after we qualify, He provides the power and grace for us to qualify for a remission of our sins. He requires us to give him the one gift that we can, and that is our will. Then as we submit our wills to His, he saves us line-upon-line, precept upon precept. Until He has brought us back into the presence of the Lord.
The process of salvation is a partnership with God. While our works are necessary in showing our faith, they are never sufficient. It is Him that provides the gift of Salvation. It is him who steps in and does for us what we could never do for ourselves. He steps in when we submit our wills to Him. Not because we are good. But because He loves us, and He is good.
In the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.
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